Bethany Saltman drafted the nation’s first “affirmative consent” policy at Antioch College in the 90s. That means she’s been having the #metoo conversion and talking about the politics of pleasure for a good long time. She is now at work on a book about attachment- rejecting or revising the work that has been popularized and categorized as “attachment styles.” Recorded right before the Kavanagh confirmation, we talk about the behavior during the hearings- body language and attachment style.